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Report on the September 15, 2019 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director     

On Sunday, September 15 Lone Star Packards met at Big Horn BBQ on Smith Ranch Rd off SH 288. Despite the heat, we had 25 members. Two brave souls brought their Packards. Many thanks to Bill Anderson who drove his cool '41 coupe and to Tony Darrow who arrived in style in his '57 sedan.

The meeting room is very nice at Big Horn and the food is great and restaurant wonderfully decorated for fall. There were televisions across the wall including several tuned to the Texans game. We are so spread out that Big Horn is also centrally located. We not only have folks coming from the coast and as far away as Orange but also from Kingwood and Katy. We may use Big Horn again.

Since we come from the opposite direction, I did not realize there were a lot of construction obstacles on 288 coming from the north. I apologize for not providing you with an alternate route. We had our monthly 50/50 drawing. “Lucky” John Eanes won for the second month in a row. (Did you hear that Caroline Calistrat? somebody is challenging you for the most wins in the 50/50 drawing. We need to see you and Mike soon.) Jan read the monthly birthdays and she was included. We welcomed new member Robert Taylor to his first LSP meeting. Read his information on the Courtlandt Place Christmas home tour in the September issue of the Owner's Manual (link: Owner's Manual - September 2019 ). We said goodbye to the Chuck and Denise Fleming from Baytown who are moving to Kansas. I told them our friend Steve Christy is in the area so they should get active in that Packard region. Our next meeting will be Sunday, October 13 in Magnolia. Ben explained that we will meet at an area restaurant for lunch and then go to The Tony Gullo Museum. The club will pay the $10/person donation which Mr. Gullo gives to charity.

Tony and Shirley are handling the November 9 meeting. This will serve as our fall tour. We will meet somewhere on the north side and caravan to Willis, Texas to see a private collection that includes five Packards. Details are being worked out.

Chris reminded us that we will have the Christmas Holiday Brunch at the South Shore Harbor Resort and Hotel in League City. Following the brunch, we will drive the short distance to our house for fun and fellowship.

Registration forms for the Texas Packard meet were distributed. For those who could not make it, please go to www.texaspackardmeet.org to get a copy. The weather in southeast Texas at mid-day during the summer months is just not conducive to driving non air conditioned sixty plus years old cars! Your director threw out the possibility of having some breakfast meetings next summer. Think about it. How about “Cars and Coffee”?

See you in Magnolia if not before.


Report on the August 17, 2019 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director    

Many thanks to Paula and Lenny for arranging the August 17th monthly meeting, held at The Lake Houston Club Room in the Del Webb Sweet Grass Community where they live. I must say it was first class! The air conditioning worked perfectly, which we really deserved after the A/C failure at our last meeting (held at the Potato Patch Restaurant). The club furnished BBQ from Rudy's and each member brought something to go along with the main course. It was all delicious!
We had the pleasure of enjoying an educational and sometimes humorous program presented by a DPS trooper that Lenny and Paula arranged. The topic was new traffic laws which will go into effect in Texas September 1. We got so caught up in the program it went longer than expected, as we had to be out of the room by 2 pm and it left only about 15 minutes or less for our meeting.
Although I tried to cover everything, I did not do justice to some topics and totally skipped others.
First, I want to apologize for not recognizing Ann Stebenne. It was great to see Ann and we want her to attend whenever she can. Ann also brought along a picture and the sheet music to the popular 1920's song depicting a love story titled the Packard and the Ford. We used it as the second drawing in our 50/50. The Andersons won the cash drawing and the Eanes won the drawing for the Packard memorabilia donated by Ann.
Only one Packard made it to the meeting - Lenny drove his 1941 Packard Touring Sedan.
In addition, Tony gave us an update on the club’s financials and we are solvent.
Ben gave us an update on membership. We have 88 families and around 100 people.
We also have new members – Johnny and Terry Scott, and John and Mary Ann Dalton. Their membership applications have been received and dues paid. A new roster will be published with their information.
Stay cool and we will see you next month.

 
Report on the June 23, 2019 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director      

On Sunday, June 23rd we met in the private room at the Potatoe Patch on FM 1960. Over the years we have met there at least 4 times and maybe more with no problems. The temp was 95 with intermittent rain that made it steamy. We had a great turnout of 39 members and guests.

Unfortunately, this visit to the restaurant was one for the books! The meeting room was not ready and we had to wait around while they cleaned up confetti etc. from a party last night, serving staff was limited and the room air conditioning was not functioning.

Now, after the "not so good": we had not had an official meeting in a couple of months and it was good to see everyone who attended today. On a very happy note, Gianna, our 5 year old granddaughter, drew the lucky ticket for the 50/50 and it happened to be Carol's!! What a surprise! We acknowledged all the June and July birthdays and Jan passed the most up to date roster around for people to proof and add any corrections. Many corrections were noted and an updated Membership Roster will be distributed soon. Rich, our Treasurer, reported that we continue to be very solvent and have enough to underwrite special events and make donations to our various projects. We announced that after 18 years serving as the treasurers for our club, Rich and Karen will be stepping down. We gave them a round of applause which was well deserved! We also announced that Shirley and Tony Darrow will take over those responsibilities. Our funds will be in another set of good hands and we appreciate them stepping up! Leon Ahlers will now become our Pre-War Technical Director. Leon has a 1941 4 door 120 convertible plus he has restored several pre-war Fords. He said with his knowledge plus You Tube he should be able to help you with your questions.

We had up-dates from some of our members regarding Packards in progress:

I shared that I finally found a factory a/c mount for our '55 so that we can add air for this time of year! I just need to start gathering all the components! Remember the '40 and '54 Packards I shared with you a couple of weeks ago that are for sale? John Lortz and his son John have gone in as partners on the '54 and it will soon be here. It is a real barn find and has less than 30,000 miles on the odometer! The lady still has the 1940 4 door 110 that was also her father's. It will need total restoration but is all there and can likely be had for $1500 or less. If interested, call John Lortz as he has seen it and has the contact information. Speaking of 1940 110's, Tom Drisdale gave a report on the progress of his coupe. The body work end is in sight. He will soon be moving it to a shop close to his home for the mechanical work to be done.

There will be no meeting in July as we traditionally do not schedule a meeting for the month of the national club meet. Our members Jerry Erhman and Mike Grimes will be attending.

We are working on a possible tour of a collection for the August meeting but if it does not happen we will come up with something else. (IT WILL BE A COOL SOMETHING ELSE!!) September is open and Ben and Janice are working on another trip to the Gullo Museum in October. We have some ideas for a fall tour in early November. One of them is a visit to the George Bush Library and graves of George and Barbara Bush in College Station. Tony also mentioned they have a friend in Willis that has a large collection, including a couple of Packards, who would welcome a visit. We might fit that in somewhere.

Jan and I have talked about the Christmas party which should be on our side of town this year. In 1998, we hosted the National Packard Club Meet at the South Shore Harbor Hotel and Resort. They have a regular Sunday buffet. I would like to pick a date in December that will not interfere with the AACA Christmas lunch. I left a message for the manager of the restaurant to call me to reserve 35 or so spaces for us and then after lunch come to our home which is close to the hotel. New member Robert Taylor has invited us to participate in the Yuletide Historic Home Tour on Courtlandt Place.

We will have more to follow on all these activities.

Report on the May 4-5, 2019 Keels and Wheels Concours d’Elegance- from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director  

The 24th Annual Keels and Wheels celebration was last weekend. Despite the down pour on Friday night, we had great weather on Saturday and Sunday. There were 11 Packards this year and seven of them were from our club. A big thank you goes to those who displayed their Packard for this very worthy activity. We also had members displaying cars other than Packards. Jay and Mary Matthews showed a 1917 Chevrolet, Richard & Irina Mitchell showed their ’30 Packard, a ’31 LaSalle, ’31 Rolls Royce, and five Stutz, Jeff Pate with a highly customized Chevrolet his Classic Cars of Houston restored.

Over the years, Keels and Wheels have contributed more than a million dollars to charity. Much of that has gone to the former Boy's Harbor now known as Today’s Harbor for Children. As you know, K&W is one of our community service events each year.

Awards:
Dan Grilli won Best in Class with his ’48 Super 8. Our ‘55 Clipper won the silver award, 2nd place in the class. My '47 won a ribbon awarded by the youth judges from Hagerty. It was fun explaining to them the difference between a straight 8 and a v8. I appreciate Hagerty establishing this program to foster interest in classic cars by the younger generation. Our friend Angelica Brothers, who spoke at one of our meetings, was the sponsor of this group. Richard Mitchell won 1st place for one of his Stutz. Jay Matthews won the Tom Timmins Memorial Award presented by Evelyn for all the work he has done on his 1917 Chevrolet.

Report on the April 5-7, 2019 42nd Anual Texas Packard Meet, Salado,  - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director 

The 42nd Annual Texas Packard meet was a great success by every measure. I hesitate to mention names of those who helped for fear of leaving someone out but I am going to try anyway. We could not have pulled this off without the help of LSP members: Rena and Jack, Ben and Janice, Tony and Shirley, Rich and Karen, Bill and Judy, Doug and Maureen, Larry and Lily, Janice Musgrove, and JC and Sherry. In addition Assistant Director John was always offering to help as needed as well as new member Tom Drisdale. The Katy bunch did much of their work on Tuesday night work sessions making car tags, stuffing envelopes etc. It was our wish to begin the rebuilding of our meet after the expansion of Interstate 35 forced a move out of Salado. We had 75 master registrations which exceeded last year's total and 45 cars scheduled for the show. Unfortunately, while we had really cold weather to deal with a year ago, the rain in Salado had a very negative impact on how many of those cars actually showed up. Some got there but never got out of their box trailer. While many cars stayed home, the owners did not.

 I am guessing the 75 registrations probably resulted in over 125 people. Lone Star Packard had 34 folks present counting the Myers who hold dual membership with Ark-La-Tex. I appreciate the support from LSP!  The numbers indicate the move back to Salado was the right decision. We had people from all over Texas plus six other states.  In order to make things work, we had to think out of the box. We had the show and the dinner off site at the Salado Civic Center operated by the school district. The school people were wonderful to work with; however, Saturday morning we had that really big down pour! We did not stay long before heading back to the hotel. Actually, the rain started just as the parade left the hotel and got worse the closer we got to the show field.  It also affected the number of people who were in front of the shops watching us parade down Main Street. No decision yet but I think the consensus was that we have the people's choice show on the hotel grounds next year.  The Thursday night ice cream social and Packard bingo was a success and it likely will now become a regular event.

 The Friday night mixer at the Barrow Craft Brewery was very popular. On Friday nights they have food trucks and an outdoor concert and craft beer as well as on site produced root beer. The brewery owns the land up to the edge of Salado Creek and we were allowed to park the Packards next to the creek. It made for beautiful pictures and since this is a big deal every Friday night in Salado, a lot of people enjoyed looking at our cars. I am thinking maybe we should move the parade from Saturday morning to Friday evening for the trip from the hotel to the Barrow Brewery. There should be a lot more people on Main Street at that time to view the Packard parade. We have time to think about next year’s schedule.

 It took all 4 Texas Packard Clubs to make the return to Salado successful. Thank you all!

Report on the February 16, 2019 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director     

On Saturday the 16th, we met at the new Red River BBQ Restaurant in League City. The new building is much larger and it is located behind the original building where we have met before. The original building was remodeled and is now the Red River Cantina. Saturday was the all you can eat rib special and I noticed about half of our folks got the ribs. We had 27 people who sent an RSVP but one of those got the "hard luck" award. Jay took off from Bellville in plenty of time to get to our League City meeting but ran into one traffic snag along I-10 after another. When he finally thought the road was clear and he could make it they shut the freeway down for a long funeral procession. He finally gave up and was home after 3 hours. Thanks for trying Jay! Packards at the meeting We were happy to see the 5 Packards make it to the meeting. Thanks to the Carlsons for bringing the '56 Clipper, to the Eanes for bringing their '54 Pacific, to the Lortzs for bringing the '53 convertible, to Chris for bringing the '55 Clipper and we brought the '47 Clipper.

Following lunch, we traveled the short distance to our home in the Meadows. Carol had apple pie, key lime pie, brownies, and Blue Bell homemade vanilla. After everyone's sweet tooth was satisfied, we moved on to a short meeting. Basically, I just gave a summary of Salado preparations and distributed a copy of the schedule of events which will appear in everyone's registration material. We will also need to help Rena with registration and help Carol with decorating and setting up the Bluebonnet room at the civic center for our banquet. North Texas and Arklatex will be working with the hospitality room. We showed a copy of the car tags for the show that Jan has been working on.

I neglected to mention that Judy Anderson has had some health setbacks and I know she and Bill would appreciate prayers.

We lowered our dues this year to $10 annually, which is half the original amount. Out of approximately 50 families, we only have about 26 who have paid for 2019. Please send your check to the Trokeys as soon as possible so you can be in the next directory and not miss out on the emails

Plans for March are being formulated at this time and will be announced.

Report on the January 19, 2019 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director     

As we begin our 55th year as the nation’s third oldest region of PAC, we continue to not only be one of the oldest but one of the most active regions. We hope you will enjoy this first edition of our new format for the OWNER'S MANUAL which will now be a monthly rather than quarterly publication to keep us well informed.

Despite cold and very windy weather, 29 LSP members ventured to the western frontier of our membership area to visit the Hemi Hideout near Brookshire. Patricia and Ron arranged this visit for us and their other club, The Katy Cruisers.

Unfortunately, the storm which hit the area last night knocked out the electricity. Still, what little sunlight that came through the glass areas plus many folks using the light on their phone, we were able to check out the numerous examples of Chrysler "muscle cars". We last visited the hideout two or three years ago and there were some new additions. Just before we left for the restaurant, the Texas Tradition, in nearby Katy, the lights came on allowing visitors to not only get a better look at the cars but also the hundreds of neon auto related signs in the collection.

Speaking of the Texas Tradition, I don't think I have ever had a better hamburger than the one Carol and I shared for lunch on their homemade bun! Karen and Rich had arranged for us to eat there once before but it may have been close to ten years ago. We will have to go back.

We welcomed new member, Tom Drisdale, and his son to their first LSP meeting. Tom is an old friend of mine from elementary through high school. He got interested in Packards by looking at our pictures on Face book. Actually, he has a little bit of history with Studebaker/Packard, as his grandfather was an executive at Mozart and Keller Studebaker in downtown Houston. They added Packard to their showroom floor in 1957 and 1958.

Tom found a 1940 110 Coupe in the Austin area Craig's List and snapped it up. It needs a little work but he is picking it up in a few days and we can expect to see it soon. I think it is very similar to Ben and Janice’s 1940.

We have yet another new Packard in our region! John and Lynn Eanes just purchased a 1954 Pacific hard top similar to the one they already have. I think John found it on the Los Angeles Craig's List and it is now home in Galveston. Interesting story - I guess a lot of folks had been bothering this elderly couple in an attempt to buy it really cheap and then flip the car for a profit. They were not very friendly until John told them he was a member of the Lone Star Packard Region and wanted the car to keep. I guess it pays to be recognized as a member of LSP! We look forward to seeing this new car.

I encourage both Tom and John to get a picture of their new cars to Doug for the Website so everyone can see them.

At this time, we do not have plans finalized for the February meeting. It will likely be on our regular 3rd weekend and probably in the Clear Lake/League City area. As soon as we nail it down you will get a notice.

Report on the December 9, 2018 Meeting and Christmas Party of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director    

May this note find all of you in good health and great holiday spirits. Sunday, December 9, we kicked off the season with our annual Christmas Holiday party. We had a record 55 members and guests meet at Hasta la Pasta Italian Restaurant on the West Grand Parkway in Katy. The food was very good and despite the crowd the service was equally good. Usually, the Baccaros win the attendance count but John and Vivian had a total of 10 in attendance and they had more they could have brought!

Following lunch, we arrived at Jack & Rena’s Car Cave for the party. We had a gift swap which follows the "Texas Steal" game. Everyone had a great time, even if they had to give up their gift. Prior to the gift swap, Jack grabbed his guitar and he and Rena led us in a round of Christmas songs. Many of the ladies brought desserts and I probably sampled more than I should have but it is a known fact that our ladies make really good treats!

During the meeting, I reminded the members that our officer terms are for two years and that we will be beginning the second year of the current two year term. We appreciate the officers and those who volunteer to help our region be one of the most active regions in PAC. We also notified members that following our established practice, we will be making a $50 donation to the Packard Foundation for the restoration of the Packard Proving Grounds in the name of Bernie Stebenne.

It was announced that our next meeting will be a return visit to the Hemi Hideout Saturday, January 19 at 9 AM. Following the visit we will travel back to Katy for lunch at the Texas Traditions. We will be joined at both sites by members of the Katy Cruisers.

I took the opportunity to ask for volunteers for Salado. J.C. and Sherry have already volunteered to help us set up and decorate the civic center for our Saturday evening program. We also need someone to make some signage for the lobby area of the Holiday Inn and maybe a new box for the long distance award (It needs to be clear that the Packard needs to be driven to Salado). Janice and Ben said they would work in the hospitality room but I am hoping there will be enough workers from the other clubs to handle much of it. Speaking of the hospitality room, spoke to Angelica from Hagerty last week and they are going to provide us with those large bags and maybe some of the goodies she passed out at our meeting a couple of months ago. They may even make a contribution to the hospitality room. Anthony is going to help Larry with lining up the cars for the show but they could probably use more help. Because of his experience with making car tags for his own show the last 5 years, I asked Lenny if he would make the windshield signs showing the various classes and he agreed. The closer we get the more things I will think about that need to be done. Reminder, if you have misplaced the information sheet and or the TPM Registration form we sent out in September, you can go to http://texaspackardmeet.org/ and print copies. Make your reservations early with the Holiday Inn by calling the direct number shown on the information sheet and mention the Packard meet to get the special rate. Rena has more than a dozen registrations as of yesterday including one that came in from California. Our national publicity began appearing a couple of weeks ago in the Cormorant News Bulletin and I got a note from the Texas Highways magazine that it would be in their next issue, so we expect more out of state registrations to come soon.

Doug Carlson and Tony Darrow are the only members that drove their Packards. The winner of our David McDonald award – for the member that drove his car to the most meetings in 2018 - will be announced at the next meeting.

We all have a great time at our meetings but they do not just happen. Please thank the Trokeys, Carters and Sartins for making this one such a great success.

Report on the November 10, 2018 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director   

Despite cold, damp weather and numerous freeway construction obstacles, thirty members of Lone Star Packards made our meeting on November 10. We met at the Pappas BBQ Restaurant at 7007 Southwest Freeway for lunch, dessert, our business meeting and the 50/50 drawing won by Robert Quinn. We also were pleased to have our "trifecta" of V8 Clippers presented by the Darrow’s ‘57, the Carlson’s '56 and our '55. I had planned on bringing the '48 but after seeing the traffic situation on the morning news it did not take long for me to decide I would rather navigate all the mess with an Ultramatic transmission and power steering! It was a little over 70 miles round trip for us and as much as I love driving our '48 lwb on the straight away, it is not a lot of fun in heavy Houston traffic!

My thanks to Ben and Janice for making all the arrangements for the meeting at Pappas, and for providing the Packard cake for dessert. Following lunch, Ben and Janice also arranged for us to tour fellow member Jeff Pate's Classic Cars of Houston restoration shop approximately 2 miles away. Jeff is an excellent and informative host. He explained how expensive some of the restorations are and mentioned that the total cost is often more than the street value of the car. Why do people have them restored? Many times it is because of an emotional attachment for a car that one's father may have bought new or maybe it was the first car someone owned. It is impossible to put a value on those kinds of feelings. I started out in this hobby trying to either find my grandfather's metallic green 1950 sedan with Ultramatic that I learned to drive on or at least a twin. Seven Packards later, I still don't have it and probably never will. However, if I had found it I would have been willing to spend much more than it was worth to get it back on the road. We got to see Jerry Ehrman's red '53 Caribbean, that Jeff is working hard to correct a previous shops effort, and also an Auburn belonging to Chris' boss. I think my favorite was the dark blue 1949 Buick convertible.

Many paid Karen for this year's Christmas lunch scheduled Sunday, December 9 at 1:00 pm. If you did not, please get your money to her by December 1, so she can finalize arrangements with the Hasta la Pasta Restaurant in Katy.The information sheet and also the registration form for Salado was sent out in September for you to copy and complete. It can be found on the texaspackardmeet.org website for you to copy. In addition, Janice plans on including it in the next OWNERS MANUAL which is scheduled to come out later this month or early December. Jim Hill will include it in the next issue of the STAGECOACH which will probably arrive in December. Please complete the form and mail to Rena Sartin.

Our December meeting will be the Christmas party as mentioned. The Orrs are working on a return trip to the "Hemi Hideout" for our January meeting. If this does not work out, we will try to arrange for us to meet at the "Jay" Cafe in Needville again and then tour Brazos Bend State Park following lunch. Our March meeting will be just a month before Salado. It may be wise to hold March open to have a business meeting to make sure we have everything covered - more to follow.

Report on the October 14, 2018 Meeting of Lone Star Packards - from Tommy Baccaro, Region Acting Director  

On Sunday, October 14, we met at the Brookwood Community near Brookshire at noon where Lenny Holzband made arrangements with the administration for us to provide a parade of Packards for the residents of Brookwood. Despite the inconvenient time, which was dictated by Brookwood due to their church service at 1 PM and the extreme heat, we had a nice representation of Packards. I guess we once again won the long distance award as our trusty '55 Clipper recorded 155 miles round trip. Actually, John and Vivian probably drove as far in their '53 convertible. I am getting closer to pulling the trigger on an A/C for the '55 as it was plenty hot for an afternoon drive home! In addition, we want to thank the Holzbands for their '41 120 sedan, the Carlsons for their (air conditioned) '56 Clipper, the Darrows for their '57 Clipper. Also thanks to the Sartins for bringing their classic Mustang, and the Carters for at least driving their 1940 to the Swinging Door. This activity will count as one of our two yearly public service activities with Keels and Wheels being the other.
Following the parade, we motored through a scenic route to the Swinging Door Restaurant. The Swinging Door was one of our favored meeting places in the 90's but we had not been there in a while. It is just as good as ever and we were treated very nice - we need to put it back on our list. We were joined by those who did not drive through Brookwood and had a total of 27 for lunch.
At the meeting, we voted to postpone a fall tour for a couple of months. For November, Ben is going to work on a visit to a local restoration shop. This will probably be on November 10 in order to keep it away from holiday plans - more information will follow. December 9 we will be at the Hasta la Pasta restaurant on SH 99 and then we will move to the Sartin's garage in nearby Katy. Please send pre-payment for the Christmas Lunch to Rich and Karen. The cost will be $18 per person and the club will pay the tax and gratuity.
In January, the Orrs have us on the list for another visit to the Hemi Hideout in Brookshire. We will have more information as we get closer. In February, we will do our "WINTER TOUR” by visiting the Gullo Collection, which we had planned for November, but they were closed to the public while they decorated for Christmas. We will have lunch nearby and plan to also visit Old Iron Works to check out some of the completed classics as well as those in progress. Right now March is open and of course April is Salado.
We always have half a dozen or more of our cars in the Keels and Wheels Show and fund raiser for Children's Harbor. Let's make it a record turnout this year! Please consider showing your car. If you cannot, then come out and visit with us on Packard row under the 100 year old Oaks.
I mentioned that Dick Bautch had been having difficulty getting his Super 8 going and he could use advice from the membership though he thinks he has isolated the problem as the accelerator pump in the carb. The Andersons are having a little over heating issue with their new 1941 120 Coupe Special but making progress.
We also covered the topic of Packards available. First and foremost, we need to help Janice Musgrove sell the '55 400 that Dale was working on. I can give you more details if interested.
Next, we mentioned that Sherry and J.C. Hairrell visited the Dan Hall collection in the Mineola area. Like fellow Arklatex member Wendall Spradbury, Dan Hall is selling his collection of some 30 Packards in various conditions plus a lot of parts. The Hairrels spent more than an hour visiting and taking pictures which they will share with us.
I also mentioned the green '48 that we sent out pictures of a week or so ago because the owners have become very motivated. However, since we were in Fort Bend County and the car is located in Sugar Land, John checked it out after the meeting. He said the body is solid but it needs everything else including paint, interior, chrome plus whatever engine work is needed. John said it is not a parts car because of the shape of the body but not far away from it. The owners have an unrealistic view of the value in the current condition.